Black Stove

[nod]

nod, think you'll find there was no chair involved (unless it was a different bar?)

must have been his fists so with the amount of blood on the street.....

It was.

a drop of hooch and lads think they're invincible

[GM1962]

I must say that, as a new arrival to Carvoeiro, the Stove was recommended to me by a neighbour. I have been there on many occasions and I have nothing but good to say. The acts that they have at the weekends are top notch, the patrons are always polite and courteous and the staff are always keen to please. I feel that this post is bias and unfair. I would feel that the standards set in the bar are much higher than that of its competitors in the area and perhaps we should give the place a chance. Also, this sort of banter is of no benefit to the image of the town. Perhaps your concerns should be delivered in person to the management!!

Really? Higher standards? Compared with which other bars?

Higher standards in many areas. Their toilets for a start, I have mobility problems and their disabled facilities are 2nd to none, the terrace area is superb and whatever you ask for they are just more than happy to please. Since reading these posts I have been keeping my eye open to see what the fuss is about and I have yet to see any sign of bad behaviour. Also, I have yet to taste a better pint of Guinness on the Iberian Peninsula. I have spoken to the new manager about these posts and he was lost for words. Have any of you been in The Stove lately, have you witnessed these happenings and would you ever think of doing what I have done, go in and voice your concerns. You may be pleasantly surprised with the reception you will get. It´s a new season and times are hard, the weather washed out carnival and the last thing that Carvoeiro needs is this sort of bad press, especially as they are based on 3rd hand information and maybe a smidgen of jealousy. It´s good to talk, not good to snipe and hide behind a key board. If you have a problem, go to the source and see if it can be sorted to everyone’s satisfaction.

[fmm]

Fine words, but which particular bars have let you down so badly?
Do you happen to live opposite this establishment?
Were you there last summer season?

[R.Wethereyet]

After reading some of the negative posts regarding the Black Stove, I contacted the owners in Ireland and informed them of certain comments regarding vandalism, aggressive behavior and other problems that the bar allegedly was experiencing and causing.

They immediately contacted the Camara, GNR and also had dialogue with local residents and businesses, and informed me that no complaints had been lodged, nor had any local resident/business had any problems, nor complained to the manager. However, they were pleased to be informed about the thread on the forum, and will be monitoring it closely.

Although I don't frequent the bar, I am in and around town several evenings per week, and I have to admit, that I have not seen nor heard about the problems from the local community , and wonder if there are certain malicious posters who maybe want to denigrate one business in favour of another. It wouldn't be the first time that the forum has been used to do this.

If anybody has any grievance or problem with the bar, the owners can be contacted on the following email address.

info@theblackstove.com

[GM1962]

Fine words, but which particular bars have let you down so badly?
Do you happen to live opposite this establishment?
Were you there last summer season?

There is not much wrong with the bars in the area, I have never had a problem except when it comes to the toilets but, this seems acceptable in most of the Med never mind Carvoeriro but, The Stove are the exception in that department. I don´t live across the road but live nearby and have been in the bar many times late at night and have yet to see something out of order. I´m not quite sure why you would ask if I was here last summer. I wasn´t, as this is my first visit to Carvoeriro but, had I read the posts on this subject before emigrating to this wonderful town, I may have chosen a different location to see out my years. As I have said before, I feel that you are using the wrong tool to rectify your problem. Talk of yobs, gangs from out of town, chairs thru windows, calling police, on a platform that is open for the world to view while planning their summer breaks cannot be doing anyone any good. I still feel that the best approach would be a personal visit, introduce yourself and discuss your concerns with the management. I feel that you may well get further than you think and, you may even help the town in the process. This community that I hope to integrate into is wonderful. I can see myself staying here for many years. Every town has problems, especially if it is a town with such beauty as Carvoeiro but, there is no problem that can´t resolved diplomatically.

[martin.cork]

Well said GM1962
Some people look so hard to find faults that they never see good.
Some people prefer to complain rather than compliment.
I have visited the Black Stove on many occasions since it has opened.
I found it to be one of the best built establishments in Carvoeiro and certainly would agree that the toilet facilities are the best in town.
OK on a few occasions it gets noisy but this also happens in all the other establishments.
One recommendation I would make is to provide a food and during the day turn the music down a notch or two (not a complaint).
For 2011 lets be positive on this forum and portray all the good things in Carvoeiro.
Looking forward to my first visit early next month.

[fmm]

I give up - wrote a post but what is the point.

[martin.cork]

FMM

Is this being positive ?

[fmm]

Being positive is not ignoring problems. It is resolving them.
I have not been there when there have been problems, so there is little I can do to resolve them.
However, I do not assume that people are lying when they say that there ARE problems.
And if the owners of the Black Stove believe there are no problems, then that, itself, is obviously a problem!

And as far asthe BS is concerned, no, not a place I want to frequent with my family, despite its close proximity to where I live.

[sunman]

I've had a wander down town & a chat to a few folks on restaurant hill and I can indeed confirm that there is a bit of a problem;

the consensus amongst bar/ restaurant owners is that the trouble makers are Portuguese, they drink till late, and then go on a bit of a vandalistic spree;

they seem to operate on a Saturday night, the most recent being going up the steep hill past Via Italia, getting a couple of Lixo bins & pushing them down the hill, one smashed into the downstairs window, one hit a car.

best estimates are that the trouble starts around 4 or 5 am so most folk won't be affected, hopefully they'll be identified soon and dealt with by the GNR.

[sam]

they seem to operate on a Saturday night, the most recent being going up the steep hill past Via Italia, getting a couple of Lixo bins & pushing them down the hill, one smashed into the downstairs window, one hit a car.

I was out in early February - arrived on a Sunday morning. That was the area where I saw the trail of blood and bloody hand prints, plus smashed planters and rubbish strewn across and down the road. Never seen problems in that area before.

[fmm]

they seem to operate on a Saturday night, the most recent being going up the steep hill past Via Italia, getting a couple of Lixo bins & pushing them down the hill, one smashed into the downstairs window, one hit a car.

I was out in early February - arrived on a Sunday morning. That was the area where I saw the trail of blood and bloody hand prints, plus smashed planters and rubbish strewn across and down the road. Never seen problems in that area before.

Now don't be silly. It as nothing to do with the Black Stove. You obviously haven't read the post where the manager said it was nothing to do with them. So, the poster who said we should discuss it with the manager needs to realise that there is not going to be that good a response if he refuses to admit it is anything to do with his establishment.

And you are right. THose of us who have been in the area for several years have never had problems before this place opened. But that is obviously a coincidence ...
The fact that there are no big bars at the top of the hill before this one opened, and it has always been the quiet part of town has nothing at all to do with the Black Stove.

[sam]

Any bar will have problems at times - its if they accept that, and how they deal with it that makes the difference. It does not pay to deny problems.
A school that one of my son's went to the headmaster said that any school that said they did not have bullying would be lying, and they acted to stop it. There were still incidents, but generally they were dealt with. My other son went to a school where the headmaster claimed not to have bullying in his school - needless to say it went on and they tried to ignore it. It was easier to put the blame on the victim than try to deal with the bullies. This lead to all sorts of problems, it had a bad reputation for bullying and my son and others experienced a lot of problems.

[bife73]

Saturday night my wife had to call the GNR at almost 1am! They had a birthday party there outside screaming, shouting, smashing glasses in the street! The GNR turned up....it calmed down for 5 - 10 minutes, once the the GNR left....it all kicked off again. The manager was outside on the terrace saw exactly what was going on, and turned a blind eye!! So please don't tell me to talk with him.....as I saw with my own eyes his attitude towards the problem!

[blue]

After reading some of the negative posts regarding the Black Stove, I contacted the owners in Ireland and informed them of certain comments regarding vandalism, aggressive behavior and other problems that the bar allegedly was experiencing and causing.

They immediately contacted the Camara, GNR and also had dialogue with local residents and businesses, and informed me that no complaints had been lodged, nor had any local resident/business had any problems, nor complained to the manager. However, they were pleased to be informed about the thread on the forum, and will be monitoring it closely.

Although I don't frequent the bar, I am in and around town several evenings per week, and I have to admit, that I have not seen nor heard about the problems from the local community , and wonder if there are certain malicious posters who maybe want to denigrate one business in favour of another. It wouldn't be the first time that the forum has been used to do this.

If anybody has any grievance or problem with the bar, the owners can be contacted on the following email address.

info@theblackstove.com

Perhaps the owner's should be contacted again regarding this latest report of yobbish behaviour around the Black Stove. I know that the yobs last year got very drunk in the Black Stove & when they became too drunk to handle they were moved on to become someone else's problem. So the owner maybe right they don't have trouble in the Black Stove, it seems they just serve the young men until they get totally out of their heads & aggressive & then move them on....... very responsible - not.
There is nothing malicious about my post I happen to live out here & I want a pleasant town to live in not bury my head in the sand so I can bump my rentals up.