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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:47 pm

If fox hunting becomes law I will accept that, though I feel it is more political than anything to so with animal rights,and would expect that the law is carried out to the full. I would also expect, in return,that all those people who continually break the law, through non peaceful protest, are also subjected in full to the rigours of the courts, and are fined/jailed etc when they transgress.

I think with Peter the truth is now emerging - he appears to be full of inverted snobbery, and with a grudge against those born better off than himself.

Ah well , I suppose it takes all sorts

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:01 pm

If you ban Fox hunting surely Fishing for sport should be banned.

Catching a fish with a hook, manhandling it out of the water they are gasping for breath... taking a picture of it, weighing it, keeping it in a keep net for hours, then letting it go so someone else further up the lake can do exactly the same thing.

I believe fox hunting is not the real issue here....

petermeachem · Post by **petermeachem** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:10 pm

Not guest again. What on earth is wrong with these people?
1) Trialling involves driving on public roads. They may look like tracks, but most are classed as roads. We were on a road at the time and had just the same right to be there as the guy on the horse. We weren't bothering him in the slightest. He had a problem with us because the hunt was going that way. Link to trailling http://www.themotorcyclingclub.org.uk/
2) No, I just think it is wrong to kill people.
3) Wtf are you on? I would be living in a 2 up and 2 down if it wasn't for the Earl of March and the guy who lives in Arundel castle. Serfdom went out some while back.

Whatever do you mean about 'Talk about hypocrisy!!'?
This is about fox hunting. You appear to defending the rights of the 'upper classes' to behave as they please. We all have the same rights, or at least should have

Ellie · Post by **Ellie** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:11 pm

excuse me guest..but are you saying that I should have been arrested for my protest ? For standing in front of a huntsman.on a public footpath..'peacefully' asking him just why he was doing,what he was doing? HE was the aggressive one..actually raising his crop to me. I stood my ground but the horse became unsettled and I had to move (very quickly) out the way!
as ive said.I wouldnt do that again..dangerous.. but I have made similar protest right outside here..my own front door..when THEY parade themselves through the village..I walk out and ask them why? and not to do it!
I think Peters right in all he says...and it isnt inverted snobbery Digger..hes simply a caring man.
I actually know ( and it can be read) of locals who are 'frightened' by these hunters..have indeed been threatened by them..not only themselves but their homes. The leaders are often people 'in a position'..and could make things very uncomfortable for those who protest.
I also know many farmers who will not allow the hunt across their land (both here in Lincs and my old home in Essex) and I applaud them

p.s . just spotted Piglets post...hate that too..the fishing thing...unless they caught for food!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:14 pm

But the red fox looks such a daarling soo sweet and cuddly

petermeachem · Post by **petermeachem** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:19 pm

'he appears to be full of inverted snobbery, and with a grudge against those born better off than himself'

You are quite wrong. I don't like people who think they are better than anyone else simply because they have more cash. And then think they are entitled to behave in a totally undemocratic way.

A friend of mine who farms in Dorset stopped the hunt going across his land because they caused so much damage which they weren't in the slightest interested in paying for. He found himself very unpopular with the hunt brigade and had quite a bit of social difficulty subsequently because he knew a lot of them well.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:19 pm

Interesting debate.

How many of the "ban fox hunting briage" are truly animal lovers ? Does the BLIAR witch eat meat, wear leather shoes, use products containg animal fats or tested on anumals. I exptect so. I expect he (and they) also eat foie gras, veal, danish bacon and other supposedly cruelly produced meat. Let him without guilt cast the first stone.

It's purely political pandering to the confused socialists who always have to try and defend the minority, be they "balck, brown, yellow, white, gypsy, turban wearing , aaa, gay, single parent, asylum seeking, repressed, persecuted, fat, thin, or whatever. If you add up all the minorities you get one hell of a big majority. Gettit?

As for banning fox hunting. What a lot of nonsense, How many foxes actually get killed in a year by foxhunting, as opposed to hunting with a gun, road traffic, posioning, disease, etc.

What has happened to British or English strength of character? Can you imagine the Spanish trying to ban bull fighting? Or worse still, the idiots in Brussels trying to ban it for the whole of Europe. How many votes would that win in Spain ?

Just because foxes sometimes look a bit like lassie, ill informed city dwellers think they are cute. Well if you were a chicken pecking at corn in the hen house and a fox gets in, then you wouln't think........ahhhhhh cute. The fox does to the chicken what the fox hound does to the fox. It's called "the law of nature". Why should we try to stop that. What about the rights of the fox hound do what comes naturally.

enough ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:27 pm

enough ?

more, more

Ellie · Post by **Ellie** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:41 pm

My guess is that 'Guest ..an interesting debate' man..just loves it !!
thats the truth

Loves all the hunting fishing lark..whether its fox..deer..fish..rabbit..any game ..hes game for it
you say about ..the hen in henhouse doesnt think the fox is 'cute' when he goes for the kill..but hes doing what comes naturally..its food which he needs to live and for the vixen its food for her cubs survival.
what pray..is the huntsman getting for it?..he cant and wouldnt want to eat it..I say its a blood lust..they enjoy it ..some primeval thrill .but they'd never admit to it

what you had in your sights today 'interesting debate' man?

petermeachem · Post by **petermeachem** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:09 pm

1) What do hunts do with hounds which are too old to hunt? Ans , put them down, 3000 or os a year.
2) Hunts manage woodland so as to provide good breeding areas for foxes. Gets rid of the killing off the vermin argument doesn't it.
3) There are only about 1000 people directly employed by hunts.

Guest. (why won't these people ever log in?)
1) You don't have to be an animal lover to find animals being killed by other animals distasteful. Just normal.

2) Which minority is this? The hunters are the minority. In a MORI poll in November 2003, 76% of the public said hunting with dogs should not be legal. 82% said deer hunting should be illegal, 77% said hare hunting and coursing should be illegal, and 69% thought fox hunting should be illegal. The average of these three figures is 76%.

3) It is estimated that at its peak in the Spring the fox population of the United Kingdom may be over 500,000. By the winter, when mating takes place, some 300,000 foxes will have died. Much of this mortality will be due to natural selection, i.e. the deaths of the weakest cubs. However, man is responsible, either deliberately or accidentally, for many thousands of fox deaths. Between 50-100,000 are snared (many for the fur trade), between 50-100,000 are shot, 25-50,000 are killed by terrier gangs and fox destruction clubs, 50-100,000 are killed on the roads and around 20,000 are killed by hunting with dogs. It is therefore estimated that more than 200,000 foxes are killed by man - a massive figure but one which the surviving foxes can easily restore in one breeding season. This shows that attempts to control the fox population are ineffective - particularly hunting with dogs which only kills around 2.5% of the fox population.

4) "What has happened to British or English strength of character?" Could you explain what you mean by this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/428122.stm

Bleeker · Post by **Bleeker** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:02 am

hmmm well i don`t think there are any fox hunts in holland but in my honest opinion a group of people on horseback with a pack of hounds chasing one small scared animal and killing it in the end for their personal fun i find quite hmmmm shall we say...unsporting?

Robin74 · Post by **Robin74** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:21 am

Bleeker wrote:hmmm well i don`t think there are any fox hunts in holland but in my honest opinion a group of people on horseback with a pack of hounds chasing one small scared animal and killing it in the end for their personal fun i find quite hmmmm shall we say...unsporting?

Bleeker as a fellow Dutchman I agree with you...........

Further , the threat of over population is often used as an Excuse by those who are pro - hunting.

Try to look at it this way: There where the intermediation of men is too big for the surrounding areas to handle the eco system will get disbalanced. Now in this case who is the most likely objective to get shot?.....

The fox who enters the land claimed by men or the Man who enters the natural territory of the fox?

Ok, here and there there might be a need to regulate populations but than again we have the choice to do so with respect or to do this for our own fun.............

For those who want to handle a trigger: guys, nowadays you have perfect computersimulations of the sadistic games you are playing. Playstation 2, Nintendo Xbox and all very real!!! - have fun!

Robin

Gambrinus · Post by **Gambrinus** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:09 am

Poll added, please go to the beginning of the post to vote.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:12 am

Sorry to disagree with you ellie but when a fox gets into a henhouse he wont just take what he needs for food .he will destroy every thing that moves..i.v helped clean up the carnage next day and belive me to see a grown man standing amid his slaughtered dreams crying his eyes out is heartbreaking ..these animals kill for fun too

loretta · Post by **loretta** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:47 am

There was a leaked report in one of the national newspapers a couple of weeks ago saying that the fox numbers were at a all time low and that some hunts where actually breeding foxes so that the hunts could take place

I am against fox hunting and cruelty to any animal.
I live in the middle of London and i have a vixen and 3 cubs who have taken up residence in my back garden they are beautiful little creatures im just worried in case Otto Ferry and his clan come riding through my back garden trying to slaughter them

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